where thereabouts; wherein it was recommended by the Yearly Meeting for Monthly Meetings to do so.

Q. Will you produce those copies ?

A. Here is the paper. [Producing to the counsel a paper.]

Q. Is this the copy alluded to by you?

A. Yes.

Q. Was this copy made by you?

A. It was examined by me, and compared with the record.
Q. By whom was it made?

A. I do not apprehend that is necessary.

Q. By whom was it made?

A. George Burr I believe made the copy.

Q. Is it the same George Burr who was examined as a witness here

a day or two since?

A. Yes; the same.

Q. When did you compare it?

A. I compared it to-day.

Q. Where?

A. Not far from this place.

Q. Are the records of Bucks Quarterly Meeting here?

A. I believe they are.

Q. It is taken from them, is it not?

A. Yes.

Q. In whose possession were they when you compared it?
A. Gabriel Middleton's.

Q. Are they still here?

A. I think I have answered that question: they are.

Q. In whose possession are they now?

A. They are in the care of Gabriel Middleton.

Q. I asked whose possession they were in?

A. I don't know that I can answer that question better than I have.

Q. Is that the book which I now perceive in the possession of George

Burr, and from which he is making extracts?

A. No, this is not the book; (looking at it.)

Q. Is George Burr a member of your society?

A. I cannot say whether he is or not.

Q. Do you know about what time the Yearly Meeting was established? A. I believe I have seen the records that states at what time it was established; but I cannot remember now the exact time.

Q. Do you know about what time the book of discipline under which the society acted at the time of the separation, and by which they were governed, was adopted?

A. I believe it was in 1806.

Q. Have you ever within your knowledge, known, or have you ever heard of, or seen any minute of the appointment of representatives to a Yearly Meeting by a Monthly Meeting for the last century previous to the separation?

A. I do not know that I recollect ever seeing any minute to that effect, or of that kind; but under the existing circumstances of society, as I said before, it appeared to be right to do so at that time, at the time it was done so by Chesterfield Monthly Meeting.

Q. Is there any thing in the present discipline requiring the representatives to be appointed from each Monthly Meeting?

A. I believe it is designed by the discipline, that the representatives appointed by inferior meetings should be appointed so that the generality of the meetings constituting the Yearly Meeting may be represented, as much as might be.

Q. I asked you whether the discipline required any such thing; not what your belief of the equitable construction of it was.

A. From the common practice of sending representatives, it would not be possible in every instance for every Monthly Meeting to be represented; otherwise, it would swell the number more than would be thought

necessary.

The question is again read to the witness:-he answers further: I believe there is not any such requisition.

Q. Must not all business carried from a Monthly to a Yearly Meeting, first pass through the intermediate branch, the Quarterly Meeting of which it is a member, in the regular order and discipline of the society? A. That has been the practice.

Q. Is it not in conformity with the positive requisitions of the discipline?

A. I believe the discipline points out the mode by which business is to be forwarded to the Yearly Meeting.

Q. Can you recollect any case which might be carried directly from the Monthly to the Yearly Meeting?

A. Not under the express rule of discipline: and under the former harmonious state of society it was not necessary.

Q. Is not a Preparative Meeting merely what its title would import, a mere preparatory tribunal in which such matters as are thought proper to be brought before the Monthly Meeting, are digested and prepared? A. It is the common channel through which business of importance is sent up to the Monthly Meeting: but there are some cases the discipline authorizes Monthly Meetings to act upon, not coming through that channel.

Q. Is it not, however, necessarily, from its very constitution, and the functions which it performs, a branch of, and subordinate to, a Monthly Meeting, which decides upon the business thus presented to it?

A. Yes; it is a branch of, and subordinate to, the Monthly Meeting. Q. Are Monthly Meetings also branches of, and subordinate to, Quarterly Meetings?

A. Yes; in general terms, they are.

Q. Are these Quarterly Meetings the constituent branches of the Yearly Meeting, and subordinate to it?

A. They are so considered.

Q. These Quarterly, Monthly, and Preparative Meetings, then, are but parts of the one great whole, the Yearly Meeting?

A. They are so.

Q. Were the Chesterfield Monthly and Preparative Meetings component parts of the Burlington Quarterly Meeting?

A. Yes.

Q. Was the Burlington Quarterly Meeting a branch of the Yearly Meeting which in Fourth-month, 1827, was, and for many years before had been held in Arch street, Philadelphia?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you attend that Yearly Meeting in 1827?

A. I believe I did; most part of it.

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Q. As a member of the society, and belonging to Chesterfield Monthly Meeting?

A. Yes.

Q. Were the representatives appointed by you in Tenth-month, 1827, representatives to a Yearly Meeting to be held in Arch street at the usual time in the following year?

A. They were appointed to attend the same Yearly Meeting, as I apprehend, held in Tenth-month; but not in the same place.

Q. Was the Yearly Meeting adjourned from Fourth-month, 1827, to Tenth-month?

A. I was not at the sitting when the adjournment was made; so that I know nothing about how it adjourned.

Q. Do you not know from general repute, that it was not adjourned to that time?

A. I have heard that it was not.

Q. Do you not know in the same way, that it was adjourned to meet at the same time and place the next year?

A. I suppose that must have been the case, from what I have understood.

Q. Has that Monthly Meeting ever since sent representatives to the Yearly Meeting in Arch street?

A. It has not.

Q. Have you not disclaimed any connexion with that meeting, and attached yourselves to a meeting held at Green and Cherry streets at a different time, annually?

A. We have not attached ourselves, as I apprehend, to any other Yearly Meeting than the Yearly Meeting of Philadelphia, that is reor ganized and held on the second Second-day, in Fourth-month, annually.

Q. Do you, or do you not, acknowledge yourselves to be branches of, and subordinate to, the Yearly Meeting held in Arch street?

A. We do not consider ourselves members of the Yearly Meeting held there since 1827.

Q. Did the Green street Monthly Meeting, to which you were about to send that certificate, acknowledge itself to be so, or is that also a branch of the same Yearly Meeting, to which you say you belong? A. That is a branch of that meeting.

Q. Does that portion of the Chesterfield Preparative Meeting, which you say continues to hold that meeting at the usual times and place, acknowledge themselves or claim to be a part of the Monthly Meeting which appointed those representatives, and still continues a member of the Green street Yearly Meeting?

A. Yes.

Q. Had they not done so before the adjournments spoken of? A. I don't recollect that there was any acknowledgment to that ef fect, in a meeting capacity, before that time.

Q. Had you not before that time, received, read, and approved the extracts from the Yearly Meeting held in Tenth-month, in your meeting?

A. I think it is very possible that might have been the case. I have not charged my memory with it particularly.

Q. Before the adjournment to Mathew Forsyth's, of which you speak, were you not asked in the meeting, if you considered yourself acting as

the clerk of that meeting, a branch of the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting, held in subordination to the Burlington Quarterly Meeting?

A. I do not know whether the question was put to me in person, or to the meeting generally: but I think I answered that I considered myself acting for Chesterfield Preparative Meeting.

Q. Do you not recollect Jediah Middleton's saying, that it was unnecessary or useless to discuss the subject, as it was well understood by both sides, and you might as well proceed to business?

A. Well, I do not recollect that that was expressed by Jediah Middleton.

Q. Was not, after it was proposed to adjourn to Mathew Forsyth's, an application made to him in the meeting to know whether his house could be had for the purpose?

A. I think there was such an application. I did not recollect it when giving my testimony this morning.

Q. Have the persons who thus adjourned, by general reputation, continued to hold meetings ever since as the Chesterfield Preparative Meeting?

A. I suppose'they have.

Q. Have those to whom you alluded, as having adjourned the Monthly Meeting, continued to hold, what they call Chesterfield Monthly Meeting, as a branch of Burlington Quarterly Meeting?

A. I suppose it to be so, from general repute. I don't pretend to know their title.

Q. Is it also generally reputed that they are in connexion with, and send representatives to, the Yearly Meeting which is still held on the third Second-day of Fourth-month, in Arch street, annually?

A. I suppose so, from what I have heard.

Q. Is not the setting up and holding of meetings of discipline out of the order of society, a breach of the discipline, and cause for disownment if persisted in, after proper care nas been extended?

A. My memory does not serve me with the words of the discipline on that subject, if there is any discipline on it.

Q. Have you ever extended any care to them for holding such meetings?

A. I think not.

Q. Have they to you?

A. They have undertaken to deal with some on a charge of disorder, in that respect.

Q. And testified against them?

A. And testified against them.

Q. Have all these appointments of trustees to the school fund, spoken of by you, and of Stacy Decow as treasurer of that fund, been made since the period spoken of by you, when the separation took place? A. Yes, they were all made since that time.

Q. Did you as clerk of the Preparative Meeting, withhold the answers to the queries from the Monthly Meeting of Eleventh-month?

A. I delivered the answers of Chesterfield Preparative Meeting to Jediah Middleton, as clerk of the Monthly Meeting of Chesterfield.

Q. Did you withhold them from David Clark?

A. I did: as not being the regular clerk of that meeting.

Q. You have furnished a list which has been marked as an exhibit, [N 2,] purporting to be a list of the members on both sides at the time of the separation; when and by whom was that list made out?

Q. It was made out last evening, I think, or this morning, by Jediah Middleton.

Q. When, and by whom, was the former list, exhibited, made out? A. That I am not able to say.

Q. Do you undertake to say, from your own knowledge, that the last is a correct list?

A. I believe it to be nearly or quite correct; and made out for the time of the separation.

Q. Why is the name of Aaron Bunting omitted in the list now exhibited?

A. Because I believe him to have been under age at that time.

Q. Were all those on the list whom you call Friends, of age at the time of the separation?

A. I do not pretend to know the exact age; but from the appearance of the individuals, I suppose them to have been so.

Q. I observe in the exhibit, dots made opposite to some of the names, and not others; can you inform me what is the object of thus distinguishing them?

A. I noted them names or persons, as being forty or more years of age.

Q. Were not Sarah Thorn, Edith Lamb, Edith Lawrie, Charles Lawrie, Joseph Lawrie, George Lawrie, Lucy Ann Lawrie, Edith Lawrie, junior, and Elizabeth Hendrickson, junior, all members of that meeting at the time of the separation?

A. I am not able to answer that question.

Q. Are you not intimately acquainted with all or most of those persons?

A. Yes; I am acquainted with them, or most of them; but I am not acquainted with all their standing in society.

Q. How was it with those you did know?

A. I suppose they must have been members of that meeting. I am not clear as to Joseph and George Lawrie being members of that meeting.

Q. Did not you marry Joseph Lawrie's sister?

A. I did.

Q. How far did you live from him?

Witness. At what time?

Counsel. At that time.

A. I am not certain as to the time of Joseph Lawrie's moving away: I believe he must have lived in the verge of the Preparative Meeting at

that time.

Q. Are not the persons whom I have named to you, with the excep tion of Sarah Thorn, Edith Lamb, and Elizabeth Hendrickson, the wife and children of Joseph Lawrie?

A. Yes, I believe so.

Q. Did not you know them then?

A. I have not said I did not know them.

Q. Which of the persons named do you not know?

A. I should like to have added to my answer, I did not know personally Elizabeth Hendrickson, I having been out of the neighbourhood for sometime before; and with respect to Joseph and George Lawrie, it is my impression that they had had certificates to other Monthly Meetings at that time. I may be mistaken in that respect.